Wednesday, April 25, 2018
There was apost on Amthrax referring to apost on MLM Punisher’s blog on how much money you want. (edited to add that MLM Punisher is another blogger who moved on and no longer blogs)
The original post by Punisher is about the costs in Monavie. Its similar to a post I wrote about costs in Amway.
Punisher estimated $496.90/month for Monavie and I estimated $476.90/month in Amway. Wow! Very close! $20 difference. The thing is both of us estimated these to be minimum monthly costs for a “serious business builder” and its likely much higher once you add in other costs such as meals and gas for the car. I estimated you’d have to set aside $700/month to be involved in Amway and maybe get a $10 check back each month from Amway for all the effort and money invested.
Hmmm. Spend $500 to $700 and get back $10. SCAM!!!!
Actually the real point of this post is getting back to Amthrax’spost about Punisher. One commenter said something about figuring out how much money you want to earn and dividing that amount by the hours you want to work to come up with an hourly wage. Mowing lawns and house cleaning was used as an example so it brought back another memory of when we were in Amway/WWDB.
There was another IBO in our line who’d been unemployed for awhile and thought that Amway was going to be the answer to all her financial troubles. She’d fallen several months behind on mortgage payments and I’m not certain if she had any income coming in at all. Alimony? Unemployment insurance? She was offering to clean houses at $15/hour. We felt bad for her and had her in to clean our house once a week or maybe every other week. I don’t recall the frequency. Took her about 2 hours to clean it or maybe it didn’t take that long because she was always yack yack yack and we paid her 2 hours anyway. Our house isn’t that big to clean and not filthy dirty either. She didn’t do a good job. I mean if Ambot comes home and points out the counter is dirty and has to clean it himself then that’s pretty bad!
She’d been cleaning our house for maybe 2 months and one day she left a message on our answering machine that her rates were going up to $17.50/hour.
If she did a better job of cleaning maybe it would be worth it but we were only letting her clean our house out of pity. Its not like I couldn’t manage the housecleaning. Its not like she came into a filthy house that had to be scrubbed to death. Basically she was dusting, vacuuming, and washing the tile floors, wiping down counters and cleaning the baths. How that takes 2 hours I don't know.....Ambot left her a message letting her know we got her message and that we’d decided we didn’t need her to clean our house anymore.
The funny thing was she phoned back and left a message on our machine saying she was sorry we couldn’t afford her housecleaning services!
Ha ha, that was a laugh. She’s talking about who can afford what? Our mortgage payments were up to date. We were in a better financial position than her and hadn’t gone too deep into Amway debt at that point. We felt she wasn’t worth it at $15/hour because she didn’t do all that good a job cleaning so she really wasn’t worth it at $17.50. Priced herself right out of business. Using the philosophy of the commenter on Amthrax’s blog she must have figured out how much she needed to earn an hour to meet her monthly expenses and pay back the missed mortgage payments and that was her number and she was sticking to it. Didn’t work out too good for her though. I don’t know how many housecleaning clients she had. Only one other that I knew of who was also in Amway and had a HUGE house.
Predictably the bank foreclosed on her house and the last I heard she’d moved to another state to move in with her daughter. I wonder if Amway got the old heave ho too.....
That’s something for every business owner to keep in mind whether they sell products or offer a service. If you price yourself too high customers will go elsewhere. If you currently offer substandard products or services and jack up the price you’ve just given your customer the excuse they’ve been looking for to ditch you. Everyone who is not a brainwashed IBO knows Amway products are outrageously overpriced. Amway’s sales reports show that less than 5% of their sales are to people who are not IBO’s. So that tells me normal people who are not brainwashed ambots know a shitty deal when they see one.
Price yourself out of business and customers disappear.
Tuesday, April 24, 2018
The Amway upline would tell the IBO’s to go crazy ass nuts and purchase Amway products and be your own best customer. They’d preach: Why would you go out and support other stores when you can be buying from your own store?
Let’s see. Shopping at other stores: Better prices. Better quality. Not having to deal with Amway assholes. Those are all good reasons to shop anywhere but Amway!
When did we ever buy energy drinks before getting involved in Amway? Never. When did we buy food bars and protein bars and all those other nasty tasting Amway bars? Rarely. I buy granola bars a couple of times a year but its not a regular purchase. When did I ever buy vitamins before Amway? Never.
So now I have to buy all these things from “our” (pretend) store that I never bought before when I went grocery shopping. So we can save money?
Are you fucking kidding me???? We are spending hundreds of dollars a month buying overpriced shitty Amway products when I never even previously purchased their similar better priced better quality counterparts at the store. How is that "saving" money?
I can save even more money by not buying stuff I never bought before anyway.
Ambot would be outraged if I went to the drug store to buy toothpaste. “How come you won’t buy from our store and support our business?” He’d ask. Oh, a couple of reasons. First off we’re a bunch of fucking idiots for having the items in our store too high priced to get any real customers. Oh, I guess its not really “our” store otherwise we can put a price tag of our choosing on the product. Second that nasty Glister toothpaste makes me gag when I brush my teeth. I prefer not to puke when I’m brushing my teeth thanks just the same!
I know how to save even more money…..Don’t be your own best customer and don’t shop from Amway!
Monday, April 23, 2018
Someone did a search for “Amway defectors” and ended up at this blog.
Ha! I love it. Perfect name. Someone should start up a forum called that and we could all head over to chat!
Whenever I heard the word defector growing up it was usually in reference to someone from the USSR escaping and claiming refugee status in another country.
I think defector is most commonly referred to similar stories when people leave one country for another country. Defector can be used to describe people who switch companies, switch baseball teams, etc.
I know there are people who left Amway to join other MLM’s. Monavie comes to mind though I’m not good on the details. I see some of those discussions on Amthrax’s blog. See a link to his blog on the upper right area of this blog. I guess those distributors who switched to Monavie can be labelled Amway defectors. I bet the higher ups in Amway probably do refer to them that way!
But what about the rest of us who just quit. Closed up shop. Walked away.
Got the hell away from Amway!
I guess we could be called defectors though a lot of us didn’t leave Amway to join another MLM. We just washed our hands of the whole network marketing nightmare.
We are the people who saw the light.
Curiosity got to me and I did a Google search for Amway defectors. Not a whole lot of information but I found a link from a newspaper article in 2008 for the top 5 scam artists and Amway is number 3. Its no big surprise to me that Amway is on the top scammers list! To quote:
Dick DeVos and Steve Van Andel are the inheritors of Quixtar, the company left to them by their billionaire fathers. Call it a pyramid scheme, call it multi-level marketing, or, better yet, call it by its original brand name: Amway. Quixtar created a pseudo-religion where God is money and its prophets are the success stories recorded in expensive tapes and books. Quixtar has convinced millions around the world that they too can make six figures simply by selling “the best” soap, vitamins and other amazing products, when the actual average annual income of a recruiter is $1400. Some even lose money at the cost of the recommended seminars and audio tapes.
To see the rest of the list: